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	<title>Comments on: Outdoors in Uptown: Lawrence and Broadway intersection hits critical mass</title>
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		<title>By: Uptown Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uptown Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does everyone who lives outside of Uptown talk about the need to make more affordable housing in Uptown instead of their own community?  All these poor and mentally disabled people were not spawned and raised here.  They relocated here from other communities that did not provide affordable housing and social services for their residents.  What are we in Uptown?  Chicago and Cook County&#039;s leper colony?  What about the Fair Housing Laws that say that all commnities should be open to the disabled?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does everyone who lives outside of Uptown talk about the need to make more affordable housing in Uptown instead of their own community?  All these poor and mentally disabled people were not spawned and raised here.  They relocated here from other communities that did not provide affordable housing and social services for their residents.  What are we in Uptown?  Chicago and Cook County&#8217;s leper colony?  What about the Fair Housing Laws that say that all commnities should be open to the disabled?</p>
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		<title>By: irishpirate</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishpirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, it wasn&#039;t Sneedless.  Sneed seems to align herself with the Burkes and Vdrolyaks of the world.  I don&#039;t think she would sniffle over Helen Shiller changing her spots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, it wasn&#8217;t Sneedless.  Sneed seems to align herself with the Burkes and Vdrolyaks of the world.  I don&#8217;t think she would sniffle over Helen Shiller changing her spots.</p>
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		<title>By: Local Realtor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Local Realtor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that lady columnists sometimes referred to as Ms. &quot;Snide?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that lady columnists sometimes referred to as Ms. &#8220;Snide?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: UptownR</title>
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		<dc:creator>UptownR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to a reliable source at City Hall, Wilson Yard is in expedited permitting with the city.  It&#039;s coming in one form or another, even if that means 100% low-income housing with a Mega Dollar Store attached.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to a reliable source at City Hall, Wilson Yard is in expedited permitting with the city.  It&#8217;s coming in one form or another, even if that means 100% low-income housing with a Mega Dollar Store attached.</p>
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		<title>By: irishpirate</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishpirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Barry.  It is a TIF bonanza for a developer who is very generous with his political contributions across this city.   Building two midrise towers of entirely low income housing is pure genius.  Although one is a senior building and generally the seniors don&#039;t cause a whole lotta problems.

Let&#039;s see.  Everywhere in the nation it seems mixed income developments are the norm for government subsidized development.  Not in Uptown.  Let&#039;s recreate the genius of Cabrini Green on a smaller scale.  Let&#039;s have one entire building of low income families.  Yea, that is pure genius.  It has been so effective everywhere else.

Let&#039;s also put said buildings right at the corner of Montrose and Broadway where the entrance for the commercial space should logically be.  Pure genius.

Seems to me you could have put the senior building above the Aldi and left the corner open.   OOPS, that is so wrong of me to think that.  Then putting the entrance for the Aldi in the rear of the building, again pure genius.   I had no problem with a well designed new Aldi.  Of course you will probably say I would have preferred a yuppie Trader Joe&#039;s.

As for pretending to be in favor of something I am pro home ownership.  I suspect you are a renter.  I recall your opinion on home ownership as an &quot;investment&quot;.  I&#039;ve been one of those nasty homeowners in Uptown before you graduated from college.   Perhaps those of us who have lived here for years and invested our time, money and energy have more at stake that someone who lives west of Clark in a relatively different environment. God Save Uptown from those who claim to love it, yet DON&#039;T live here.   Of course you&#039;re close though and sometimes walk through the neighborhood and take some photos.

Your concern for Uptown remaining a mixed income neighborhood is touching.   It was also touching a month ago when you lamented the multiple murders in Uptown over a period of a few days.

What would be more touching is if you acknowledged the level of corruption in the Wilson Yard process.  It doesn&#039;t have to be illegal to be corrupt.   Of course when it results in something you consider to be a public good I guess the corruption can be overlooked.

The goal should be to achieve a decent neighborhood that works for a variety of income groups.  Building an entirely low income tower does not help achieve that.  Putting money into programs that help lower income folks buy condos does help achieve that.  Building a commercial center where there might be decent paying jobs would help that.  Building housing that contributes to the tax base helps that.







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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Barry.  It is a TIF bonanza for a developer who is very generous with his political contributions across this city.   Building two midrise towers of entirely low income housing is pure genius.  Although one is a senior building and generally the seniors don&#8217;t cause a whole lotta problems.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see.  Everywhere in the nation it seems mixed income developments are the norm for government subsidized development.  Not in Uptown.  Let&#8217;s recreate the genius of Cabrini Green on a smaller scale.  Let&#8217;s have one entire building of low income families.  Yea, that is pure genius.  It has been so effective everywhere else.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s also put said buildings right at the corner of Montrose and Broadway where the entrance for the commercial space should logically be.  Pure genius.</p>
<p>Seems to me you could have put the senior building above the Aldi and left the corner open.   OOPS, that is so wrong of me to think that.  Then putting the entrance for the Aldi in the rear of the building, again pure genius.   I had no problem with a well designed new Aldi.  Of course you will probably say I would have preferred a yuppie Trader Joe&#8217;s.</p>
<p>As for pretending to be in favor of something I am pro home ownership.  I suspect you are a renter.  I recall your opinion on home ownership as an &#8220;investment&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve been one of those nasty homeowners in Uptown before you graduated from college.   Perhaps those of us who have lived here for years and invested our time, money and energy have more at stake that someone who lives west of Clark in a relatively different environment. God Save Uptown from those who claim to love it, yet DON&#8217;T live here.   Of course you&#8217;re close though and sometimes walk through the neighborhood and take some photos.</p>
<p>Your concern for Uptown remaining a mixed income neighborhood is touching.   It was also touching a month ago when you lamented the multiple murders in Uptown over a period of a few days.</p>
<p>What would be more touching is if you acknowledged the level of corruption in the Wilson Yard process.  It doesn&#8217;t have to be illegal to be corrupt.   Of course when it results in something you consider to be a public good I guess the corruption can be overlooked.</p>
<p>The goal should be to achieve a decent neighborhood that works for a variety of income groups.  Building an entirely low income tower does not help achieve that.  Putting money into programs that help lower income folks buy condos does help achieve that.  Building a commercial center where there might be decent paying jobs would help that.  Building housing that contributes to the tax base helps that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheridan Newcomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheridan Newcomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say you live one block outside the ward - I would bet that still likely places you a nice comfortable distance from the affordable/subsidized housing you so want to protect.  I&#039;m not so fortunate, and it seems like everyday I walk down my block to see an arrest in progress or activity worthy of a 911 call.  Affordable housing is all well and good, but the managers of those properties and especially the residents aren&#039;t holding up their end of the bargain.  Too many of them are just simply NOT behaving like good neighbors.  You don&#039;t solve a problem like that by bringing even MORE into the neighborhood, but rather trying to help those that are already here improve their lot in life (and become better citizens and neighbors in the process).  I don&#039;t see any of that in Uptown.  All I see is people on the fringes of society being warehoused without any supervision, guidance or mentoring.

And saying that Wilson Yard will go forward at some indefinite point in the future is a pretty meaningless statement, given that people have been making that prediction for ten years.  When it comes to Wilson Yard, talk is more than cheap - it&#039;s worth NOTHING.  Holsten and Shiller have no credibility left on this topic.  None.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say you live one block outside the ward &#8211; I would bet that still likely places you a nice comfortable distance from the affordable/subsidized housing you so want to protect.  I&#8217;m not so fortunate, and it seems like everyday I walk down my block to see an arrest in progress or activity worthy of a 911 call.  Affordable housing is all well and good, but the managers of those properties and especially the residents aren&#8217;t holding up their end of the bargain.  Too many of them are just simply NOT behaving like good neighbors.  You don&#8217;t solve a problem like that by bringing even MORE into the neighborhood, but rather trying to help those that are already here improve their lot in life (and become better citizens and neighbors in the process).  I don&#8217;t see any of that in Uptown.  All I see is people on the fringes of society being warehoused without any supervision, guidance or mentoring.</p>
<p>And saying that Wilson Yard will go forward at some indefinite point in the future is a pretty meaningless statement, given that people have been making that prediction for ten years.  When it comes to Wilson Yard, talk is more than cheap &#8211; it&#8217;s worth NOTHING.  Holsten and Shiller have no credibility left on this topic.  None.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Pearce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live exactly one block outside of the ward and spend plenty of time in it.

All I said regarding Target was that Holsten has &quot;insisted&quot; it will be part of the development. You might read from that word choice that it&#039;s still an open question.

Whatever you think of the development, it will go forward in some form. I&#039;m not saying when, but it will certainly have an impact on the street.

And yes, I like Helen, though I like her a lot less since she became so cozy with the mayor. And I like that she didn&#039;t let Wilson Yard become another TIF bonanza for a developer trying to turn Uptown into Yuptown on the taxpayers&#039; dime.

Uptown needs to work hard to protect its stock of affordable and subsidized housing given the steep price run-ups and rampant condo conversions if it&#039;s to remain a mixed-income neighborhood - something that even the homeowners who thought they were purchasing in the next Lincoln Park pretend to be in favor of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live exactly one block outside of the ward and spend plenty of time in it.</p>
<p>All I said regarding Target was that Holsten has &#8220;insisted&#8221; it will be part of the development. You might read from that word choice that it&#8217;s still an open question.</p>
<p>Whatever you think of the development, it will go forward in some form. I&#8217;m not saying when, but it will certainly have an impact on the street.</p>
<p>And yes, I like Helen, though I like her a lot less since she became so cozy with the mayor. And I like that she didn&#8217;t let Wilson Yard become another TIF bonanza for a developer trying to turn Uptown into Yuptown on the taxpayers&#8217; dime.</p>
<p>Uptown needs to work hard to protect its stock of affordable and subsidized housing given the steep price run-ups and rampant condo conversions if it&#8217;s to remain a mixed-income neighborhood &#8211; something that even the homeowners who thought they were purchasing in the next Lincoln Park pretend to be in favor of.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The renovation of the retail building (north) connected to the Riveria looks great.  I am glad someone took the time and money to do a quality job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The renovation of the retail building (north) connected to the Riveria looks great.  I am glad someone took the time and money to do a quality job.</p>
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		<title>By: irishpirate</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishpirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry,

Wilson Yard is indeed coming.  I wouldn&#039;t suggest you hold your breath though on when it arrives.   Holsten and Shiller have suggested for years that ground breaking is imminent on the &quot;Target&quot; and even have said that Target not willing to go on record about Wilson Yard is bizarre,

http://www.pioneerlocal.com/newsstar/news/424767,SN-WilsonYard-061307-s1.article

Read that article and tell me that something doesn&#039;t stink.

Barry has some kind of residual left wing affection for Helen Shiller.  Which is easier to have when you live outside the ward and don&#039;t really study what is going on.

I don&#039;t want to post any more links here because the post might disappear into cyberspace Gitmo, but do a google search on &quot;Peter Holsten&quot; and &quot;Wilson Yard&quot; and see what comes up.  Particularly pay attention to the Chicago Reader stories.

Or check out the Reader archives on Brendan Shiller.  The Reader described him as the attorney of choice for 46th ward businesses with liquor related issues before the city.  WHOda thunkit?  By the way Brendan, BS for short, is the son of HS.

I sent that to a certain columnist for a major newspaper and I could almost hear her crying when she replied.  She originally suggested it was a rumor.

I could go on and on and on and on and on and on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry,</p>
<p>Wilson Yard is indeed coming.  I wouldn&#8217;t suggest you hold your breath though on when it arrives.   Holsten and Shiller have suggested for years that ground breaking is imminent on the &#8220;Target&#8221; and even have said that Target not willing to go on record about Wilson Yard is bizarre,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pioneerlocal.com/newsstar/news/424767,SN-WilsonYard-061307-s1.article" rel="nofollow">http://www.pioneerlocal.com/newsstar/news/424767,SN-WilsonYard-061307-s1.article</a></p>
<p>Read that article and tell me that something doesn&#8217;t stink.</p>
<p>Barry has some kind of residual left wing affection for Helen Shiller.  Which is easier to have when you live outside the ward and don&#8217;t really study what is going on.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to post any more links here because the post might disappear into cyberspace Gitmo, but do a google search on &#8220;Peter Holsten&#8221; and &#8220;Wilson Yard&#8221; and see what comes up.  Particularly pay attention to the Chicago Reader stories.</p>
<p>Or check out the Reader archives on Brendan Shiller.  The Reader described him as the attorney of choice for 46th ward businesses with liquor related issues before the city.  WHOda thunkit?  By the way Brendan, BS for short, is the son of HS.</p>
<p>I sent that to a certain columnist for a major newspaper and I could almost hear her crying when she replied.  She originally suggested it was a rumor.</p>
<p>I could go on and on and on and on and on and on.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheridan Newcomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheridan Newcomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of people view the Aldi as a huge step backwards - the long windowless wall on the street, entrance far away from the sidewalk.  It&#039;s pretty hard to understand the reasoning for why they did it that way.

And Wilson Yards, gimme a break.  There&#039;s been ZERO progress in the past year.  If Target was indeed coming in, why do they refuse to confirm it?  Makes no sense, considering that Holsten has gone on record saying the deal is done.  There&#039;s a very good chance that Wilson Yards four years from now will consist entirely of two towers of subsidized housing, a Dollar Store, two nail salons, a currency exchange and some boarded up storefronts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people view the Aldi as a huge step backwards &#8211; the long windowless wall on the street, entrance far away from the sidewalk.  It&#8217;s pretty hard to understand the reasoning for why they did it that way.</p>
<p>And Wilson Yards, gimme a break.  There&#8217;s been ZERO progress in the past year.  If Target was indeed coming in, why do they refuse to confirm it?  Makes no sense, considering that Holsten has gone on record saying the deal is done.  There&#8217;s a very good chance that Wilson Yards four years from now will consist entirely of two towers of subsidized housing, a Dollar Store, two nail salons, a currency exchange and some boarded up storefronts.</p>
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