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	<title>Comments on: Retail at Clark 36, other developments could spawn &quot;Andersonville South&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Rojas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Rojas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Irish said.</description>
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		<title>By: irishpirate</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishpirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as one of the 2% of criminals who live in Uptown it really doesn&#039;t bother me how that stretch of Clark street and that immediate area is marketed.

From the SE corner of Uptown to the NW corner is about 2 miles in a straight line.  Even within a 1/2 mile square area of Uptown like Buena Park feels much different depending on the block you are on.

You have the highrises on Marine.  The mansions on Hutchison.  The center entrance six flats on Kenmore.

Whatever will get taxpayers buying and shopping in that section of Uptown is fine with me.  The more the merrier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as one of the 2% of criminals who live in Uptown it really doesn&#8217;t bother me how that stretch of Clark street and that immediate area is marketed.</p>
<p>From the SE corner of Uptown to the NW corner is about 2 miles in a straight line.  Even within a 1/2 mile square area of Uptown like Buena Park feels much different depending on the block you are on.</p>
<p>You have the highrises on Marine.  The mansions on Hutchison.  The center entrance six flats on Kenmore.</p>
<p>Whatever will get taxpayers buying and shopping in that section of Uptown is fine with me.  The more the merrier.</p>
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		<title>By: UptownR</title>
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		<dc:creator>UptownR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in &quot;Buena Park&quot;, which is really just the southern part of Uptown.  Edgewater was part of Uptown until the 1970s, when it successfully seceded and formed its own official Community Area with the city.  Other efforts to distance areas from the &quot;Uptown&quot; name have included the monikers &quot;Sheridan Park&quot;, &quot;Margate Park&quot;, and even &quot;Clarendon Park&quot;, which is ironically the most crime-infested part of the neighborhood.

I used to see real estate listing in my area say &quot;North Lakeview&quot; or &quot;North Wrigleyville&quot;.  However, more and more agents and sellers have become comfortable with the name Buena Park in recent years.  I NEVER see listing that say Uptown in Buena Park, but the rest of the neighborhood is becoming less afraid of that name.  Maybe someday, with all of the new entertainment options in the heart of Uptown, people will use the name Uptown with pride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in &#8220;Buena Park&#8221;, which is really just the southern part of Uptown.  Edgewater was part of Uptown until the 1970s, when it successfully seceded and formed its own official Community Area with the city.  Other efforts to distance areas from the &#8220;Uptown&#8221; name have included the monikers &#8220;Sheridan Park&#8221;, &#8220;Margate Park&#8221;, and even &#8220;Clarendon Park&#8221;, which is ironically the most crime-infested part of the neighborhood.</p>
<p>I used to see real estate listing in my area say &#8220;North Lakeview&#8221; or &#8220;North Wrigleyville&#8221;.  However, more and more agents and sellers have become comfortable with the name Buena Park in recent years.  I NEVER see listing that say Uptown in Buena Park, but the rest of the neighborhood is becoming less afraid of that name.  Maybe someday, with all of the new entertainment options in the heart of Uptown, people will use the name Uptown with pride.</p>
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		<title>By: Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My experience is a larger market associates Uptown with east of Clark and also feel Andersonville is a more desirable location.&quot;

I&#039;m quite sure you&#039;re right, but it&#039;s still a slap to the people in Uptown - 98% of which I&#039;m sure are not criminals - who are trying to work to rejuvenate the neighborhood.  It sends a pretty bad message that the hard work of these folks is not recognized by the larger City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My experience is a larger market associates Uptown with east of Clark and also feel Andersonville is a more desirable location.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite sure you&#8217;re right, but it&#8217;s still a slap to the people in Uptown &#8211; 98% of which I&#8217;m sure are not criminals &#8211; who are trying to work to rejuvenate the neighborhood.  It sends a pretty bad message that the hard work of these folks is not recognized by the larger City.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rojas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Rojas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carter and Kate,

I think the use of &quot;Andersonville South&quot; by real estate agents is used to put a face on a formerly desolate cooridor area for the lesser informed consumer... is fine.  For instance, when marketing, your making a choice to associate the location and lifestyle with a popular Andersonville hot spot rather than Uptown.  My experience is a larger market associates Uptown with east of Clark and also feel Andersonville is a more desirable location.

I don&#039;t feel it&#039;s an egregious attempt to re-name a neighborhood... like say the West Roscoe Village or West Bucktown debacles.

In a listing, I would just say &quot;walk to Andersonville shops, restaurants, bars&quot; rather than add the directional moniker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carter and Kate,</p>
<p>I think the use of &#8220;Andersonville South&#8221; by real estate agents is used to put a face on a formerly desolate cooridor area for the lesser informed consumer&#8230; is fine.  For instance, when marketing, your making a choice to associate the location and lifestyle with a popular Andersonville hot spot rather than Uptown.  My experience is a larger market associates Uptown with east of Clark and also feel Andersonville is a more desirable location.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t feel it&#8217;s an egregious attempt to re-name a neighborhood&#8230; like say the West Roscoe Village or West Bucktown debacles.</p>
<p>In a listing, I would just say &#8220;walk to Andersonville shops, restaurants, bars&#8221; rather than add the directional moniker.</p>
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		<title>By: Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got my argument backwards, I&#039;m suggesting it is the attempts to change neighborhood names and boundaries every few years that&#039;s the problem.

It&#039;s an issue of historical accuracy (hence, the boundaries that were set in stone for data tracking purposes), and to a degree, of respect for that history.

And obviously, the idea that a single institution or restaurant is going stretch said boundary is what I find ridiculous.

Take your Foster example - OK, you&#039;ve got Swedish Covenant, Tre Kronor, and a few things out west.  Then from there to Ashland you pretty much got nothin&#039; that you could say really represents a major Swedish mark on the City (Bowmanville is a whole other story).

IMO people that think neighborhoods are changing every year &amp; that everyone should be dancing the happy speculator dance which always changes areas into &quot;up and coming&quot; or &quot;hot, hot, hot!&quot; neighborhoods don&#039;t know what a neighborhood really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got my argument backwards, I&#8217;m suggesting it is the attempts to change neighborhood names and boundaries every few years that&#8217;s the problem.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an issue of historical accuracy (hence, the boundaries that were set in stone for data tracking purposes), and to a degree, of respect for that history.</p>
<p>And obviously, the idea that a single institution or restaurant is going stretch said boundary is what I find ridiculous.</p>
<p>Take your Foster example &#8211; OK, you&#8217;ve got Swedish Covenant, Tre Kronor, and a few things out west.  Then from there to Ashland you pretty much got nothin&#8217; that you could say really represents a major Swedish mark on the City (Bowmanville is a whole other story).</p>
<p>IMO people that think neighborhoods are changing every year &amp; that everyone should be dancing the happy speculator dance which always changes areas into &#8220;up and coming&#8221; or &#8220;hot, hot, hot!&#8221; neighborhoods don&#8217;t know what a neighborhood really is.</p>
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		<title>By: UptownR</title>
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		<dc:creator>UptownR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re going to change community areas to reflect their populations, then we&#039;d have to do away with the Ukranian Village, Pilsen, and Little Italy as well as Andersonville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re going to change community areas to reflect their populations, then we&#8217;d have to do away with the Ukranian Village, Pilsen, and Little Italy as well as Andersonville.</p>
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		<title>By: Local Realtor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Local Realtor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re going to use Swedish or Scandanavian ethnic culture as the basis for calling a neighborhood &quot;Andersonville&quot; - then its western boundary stretches all the way to Foster &amp; Kimball! That way you can accommodate Swedish Hospital, North Park U. and several ethnic businesses that are located well beyond Ashland!  (And then of course there&#039;s the Norwegian Hospital in Humboldt Park and the former Norwegian Consulate, now condos, on Kedzie near Fullerton.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re going to use Swedish or Scandanavian ethnic culture as the basis for calling a neighborhood &#8220;Andersonville&#8221; &#8211; then its western boundary stretches all the way to Foster &amp; Kimball! That way you can accommodate Swedish Hospital, North Park U. and several ethnic businesses that are located well beyond Ashland!  (And then of course there&#8217;s the Norwegian Hospital in Humboldt Park and the former Norwegian Consulate, now condos, on Kedzie near Fullerton.)</p>
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		<title>By: Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point Barry, but:

&quot;Andersonville is not an official community area, and if you look at its history, your &quot;official boundaries&quot; are likely different from the boundaries that emerged organically when Swedes first congregated here.&quot;

Just kind of proves my point for me.  There&#039;s no &quot;Swedish connection&quot; or explanation in terms of the Hopleaf (not that they care) or other establishments opening south of Foster &amp; Clark.

I&#039;d suggest that it a) waters down Andersonville&#039;s cachet and charm by further making the history meaningless, and b) is kind of an unnecessary smack in the head to Uptown - if Uptown is improving and new places are opening in its borders (long established, btw, Uptown is no johnny-come-lately neighborhood), why not give Uptown some props?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point Barry, but:</p>
<p>&#8220;Andersonville is not an official community area, and if you look at its history, your &#8220;official boundaries&#8221; are likely different from the boundaries that emerged organically when Swedes first congregated here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just kind of proves my point for me.  There&#8217;s no &#8220;Swedish connection&#8221; or explanation in terms of the Hopleaf (not that they care) or other establishments opening south of Foster &amp; Clark.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest that it a) waters down Andersonville&#8217;s cachet and charm by further making the history meaningless, and b) is kind of an unnecessary smack in the head to Uptown &#8211; if Uptown is improving and new places are opening in its borders (long established, btw, Uptown is no johnny-come-lately neighborhood), why not give Uptown some props?</p>
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		<title>By: UptownR</title>
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		<dc:creator>UptownR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m, you&#039;re right to some degree, but the cemetary doesn&#039;t start at Foster...  It starts five blocks south of Foster at Ainslie, so there is quite a bit of Uptown that is right adjacent to Andersonville and on Clark Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m, you&#8217;re right to some degree, but the cemetary doesn&#8217;t start at Foster&#8230;  It starts five blocks south of Foster at Ainslie, so there is quite a bit of Uptown that is right adjacent to Andersonville and on Clark Street.</p>
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