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	<title>Comments on: Vis Vitae condos bringing Starbucks to Uptown&#039;s wholesalers&#039; row</title>
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		<title>By: UptownR</title>
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		<dc:creator>UptownR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We shouldn&#039;t allow and front parking lots anywhere in Chicago...  Not even on Western or Ashland.  We need to start REPAIRING the urban fabric, not denegrating it further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We shouldn&#8217;t allow and front parking lots anywhere in Chicago&#8230;  Not even on Western or Ashland.  We need to start REPAIRING the urban fabric, not denegrating it further.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Starbucks at this site is alomost too great to believe - time to bulldoze the wretched scum stores that comprise the rest of Clark there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Starbucks at this site is alomost too great to believe &#8211; time to bulldoze the wretched scum stores that comprise the rest of Clark there.</p>
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		<title>By: bpearce</title>
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		<dc:creator>bpearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t totally write off this stretch of Clark Street. It already has changed dramatically, and it&#039;s only a matter of time until the wholesalers are gone. More projects like this will replace them, and Starbucks - for better or worse - is a major green light for condo buyers and small retailers.

&quot;Retail district&quot; sounds ambitious, but a healthy smattering of small shops and a few restaurants aren&#039;t out of the question. Wilson Avenue west of Broadway hasn&#039;t exactly turned into Oak Street, but it certainly has turned a corner. So has Clark Street just to the north, where Andersonville has pushed south of Foster, but up there, a giant utility facility, a cemetery and other necessary obstructions will arrest development.

I&#039;m wary of endorsing locations, but my guess is that anyone who buys on these blocks in this down market will probably see a nice return as the pocket comes around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t totally write off this stretch of Clark Street. It already has changed dramatically, and it&#8217;s only a matter of time until the wholesalers are gone. More projects like this will replace them, and Starbucks &#8211; for better or worse &#8211; is a major green light for condo buyers and small retailers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Retail district&#8221; sounds ambitious, but a healthy smattering of small shops and a few restaurants aren&#8217;t out of the question. Wilson Avenue west of Broadway hasn&#8217;t exactly turned into Oak Street, but it certainly has turned a corner. So has Clark Street just to the north, where Andersonville has pushed south of Foster, but up there, a giant utility facility, a cemetery and other necessary obstructions will arrest development.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wary of endorsing locations, but my guess is that anyone who buys on these blocks in this down market will probably see a nice return as the pocket comes around.</p>
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		<title>By: irishpirate</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishpirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sorta agree with both of you.

That stretch of Clark is not going to be Southport.

Now on Southport or a similar &quot;walkable&quot; street I would detest that building.   Even on Clark it strikes me as rather &quot;suburban&quot; looking.

That being said right there are no &quot;sidestreets&quot; there for people to park on.   At least on the west side of the street.

It will likely draw the type of commercial where people drive in and out with rapid turnover.  Maybe a Kwikee Mart to celebrate the Simpsons movie.

I generally loath the suburban type strip malls with no residential above.   Near me there are several.  SW Corner of Montrose and Clark is a perfect example.  Blech!

Another larger montrosity is across from the Uptown Post office on the 4900 block of Broadway.  Horrible waste of residential above commercial potential.

Realistically, there has to be some places in the city with parking out front of retail.  I prefer it like that with residential above than just the retail.

In a perfect city we would have a world class public transportation system and people would walk and bike.  This ain&#039;t the Netherlands

I wish it was.  Plus I dig 5&#039;10&quot; blonde women.   Don&#039;t ask whether they &quot;dig&quot; me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sorta agree with both of you.</p>
<p>That stretch of Clark is not going to be Southport.</p>
<p>Now on Southport or a similar &#8220;walkable&#8221; street I would detest that building.   Even on Clark it strikes me as rather &#8220;suburban&#8221; looking.</p>
<p>That being said right there are no &#8220;sidestreets&#8221; there for people to park on.   At least on the west side of the street.</p>
<p>It will likely draw the type of commercial where people drive in and out with rapid turnover.  Maybe a Kwikee Mart to celebrate the Simpsons movie.</p>
<p>I generally loath the suburban type strip malls with no residential above.   Near me there are several.  SW Corner of Montrose and Clark is a perfect example.  Blech!</p>
<p>Another larger montrosity is across from the Uptown Post office on the 4900 block of Broadway.  Horrible waste of residential above commercial potential.</p>
<p>Realistically, there has to be some places in the city with parking out front of retail.  I prefer it like that with residential above than just the retail.</p>
<p>In a perfect city we would have a world class public transportation system and people would walk and bike.  This ain&#8217;t the Netherlands</p>
<p>I wish it was.  Plus I dig 5&#8242;10&#8243; blonde women.   Don&#8217;t ask whether they &#8220;dig&#8221; me.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Zekas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Zekas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with the urban politician (largely) on this one.

Parking in front usually just rapes the urban fabric. and draws a different type of street-level usage.

The only thing that takes some of the sting out of this is that there&#039;s no real possibility of a viable retail district on this stretch of Clark St, so this won&#039;t be as damaging as it might be elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the urban politician (largely) on this one.</p>
<p>Parking in front usually just rapes the urban fabric. and draws a different type of street-level usage.</p>
<p>The only thing that takes some of the sting out of this is that there&#8217;s no real possibility of a viable retail district on this stretch of Clark St, so this won&#8217;t be as damaging as it might be elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: the urban politician</title>
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		<dc:creator>the urban politician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irish Pirate, thousands of condos with ground-level shops have been built in Chicago recently without any front parking.  By saying &quot;it has commercial space, thus it NEEDS to have parking up front&quot; completely perplexes me.

It&#039;s a horrible compromise.  I&#039;m not saying don&#039;t have any parking (although some of Chicago&#039;s most successful retail districts have nothing but street parking, how about them apples?) but don&#039;t put them between the pedestrian and the store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irish Pirate, thousands of condos with ground-level shops have been built in Chicago recently without any front parking.  By saying &#8220;it has commercial space, thus it NEEDS to have parking up front&#8221; completely perplexes me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a horrible compromise.  I&#8217;m not saying don&#8217;t have any parking (although some of Chicago&#8217;s most successful retail districts have nothing but street parking, how about them apples?) but don&#8217;t put them between the pedestrian and the store.</p>
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		<title>By: irishpirate</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishpirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UP,

it has commercial space.   Seems to me it needs to have some parking up front.  From the rendering it seems the parking for the condos will be accessed from the back.

Not a bad compromise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UP,</p>
<p>it has commercial space.   Seems to me it needs to have some parking up front.  From the rendering it seems the parking for the condos will be accessed from the back.</p>
<p>Not a bad compromise.</p>
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		<title>By: the urban politician</title>
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		<dc:creator>the urban politician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t stand this development.  I am offended by the front parking lot.  I utterly hate it and I hope it forecloses</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t stand this development.  I am offended by the front parking lot.  I utterly hate it and I hope it forecloses</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rojas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Rojas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only fights I know there are over a p&#039;erty young thing to two-step with...Yahhhh Hooooo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only fights I know there are over a p&#8217;erty young thing to two-step with&#8230;Yahhhh Hooooo!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Hawley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Hawley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Galewood,

Vis Vitae is across the street from Carol&#039;s - Carol&#039;s is on the southeast corner of Clark and Leland. I&#039;ve been there many (too many?) times. My impression is that it&#039;s a lot less rough than it used to be - it&#039;s mostly hipsters in there these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Galewood,</p>
<p>Vis Vitae is across the street from Carol&#8217;s &#8211; Carol&#8217;s is on the southeast corner of Clark and Leland. I&#8217;ve been there many (too many?) times. My impression is that it&#8217;s a lot less rough than it used to be &#8211; it&#8217;s mostly hipsters in there these days.</p>
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